[Cob] Lava Cob - defeats the purpose of thermal mass

[Jill Hogan]

Ocean I can't agree with you more that "Why change a formula that has 
worked for thousands of years as in Cornwall but also in Yemen and 
numerous other countries. Half the worlds population either live or work 
in an earth house, built mostly hundreds of years ago and they still exsist.
I also agree that novelty and innovation do not necessarily represent 
improvement.

On 2011/07/20 03:31 AM, Henry Raduazo wrote:
> And Yet, It should be noted that Ianto has been building hybrid structures using 12 inches of cob mated to a cut in half straw bale in order to get both thermal mass and insulation. Would you like to see some pictures?
> 	I think either "The solar House Book" or "The passive solar house" (I can't remember which) states that beyond about 10 inches increasing the thickness of a mass storage wall has little effect on the passive solar properties of a wall.
>
> Ed
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Ocean Liff-Anderson wrote:
>
>> Pardon me for interjecting a critique into the controversy here. But as Ianto taught me and countless other cob builders, a major benefit of cob vs strawbale construction is the incredible thermal mass of the material.  By creating 24" thick solid walls, we add a thermal "battery" to our buildings which absorb and release heat gradually, creating a stable thermal environment similar to a cave.  So the addition of pumice - which may increase the insulative quality of the material by trapping air - would unfortunately also prevent the material from acting as thermal mass.
>>
>> I am again compelled to repeat a past observation of dialog on the Coblist: many instances of novice speculation on the cob listserv, not grounded in the experience of the material of cob, which has a tradition passed down from the middle ages.  Why do you want to change the nature of a building material which has served to create cozy homes continuously inhabited for over 500 years on the chilly coastal shores of Devon, Wales?  Why question the long established experience of great-great-grandparent builders?
>>
>> Novelty and innovation do not always represent improvement.
>>
>>
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>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Janet Standeford wrote:
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>>> Are you saying theirs is true R value?
>>>
>>> As for the energy model I know of, it passes muster with building officials as R value for my house.
>>>
>>> The point I am making is that .5 for regular cob is a pretty low guess on their part versus the nearly "1" I will be getting. So it doesn't appear that the pumice actually adds anything to the equation when theirs comes out to "1" with the pumice.
>>>
>>> Also Shannon, effective value or not, it was measured at 19 for 20 inches. Yes, site, sun, etc have everything to do  with it but as cob will never have a true R value due to variances in the mix and soil, effective value is the closest thing we will ever get to measuring it.
>>>
>>> So don't jump down my throat for going with what I can get in the way of a measurement just because I have an opinion on regular cob versus pumice cob and the claim made on their website regarding R value for regular cob!
>>>
>>>
>>>> As I have explained previously, cob is NOT anywhere close to R19 for 20 inches, your energy model is specific to your building and site.  I believe the term used on your paperwork was "effective R-value" it is not a generic design definition that can be used for other cob installations. Effective R-value has a specific context and is only meaningful in that context, it cannot be applied to other buildings unless they have a similar design, latitude, sun-hours per day, and probably other conditions.
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