Cob: Paint on cob

Thu Mar 6 12:47:48 CST 2003

can you use the natural paints and tinted renders on exterior walls? and if
so, how well will they hold up? assuming you have 2 to 3 foot overhangs and
3 foot stem walls to keep splashing rain off.  I haven't been able to find
anything to stand up to our crazy texas storms.

Dorothy

 Joe Skeesick <joe at skeesick.com> wrote:

	Point of clarification. (at least I hope)

	A lime render (either tinted or natural white) is the perfect final render
for the outside of cob homes. It protects the homes here in England quite
well. If you need help finding resources for lime renders I can see what I
can do. However, most of the resources I know of are on this side of the
pond right now. I'll have to find the resources over there soon enough (I'm
building a cob home in Oklahoma in a year and a half) but haven't done so
yet.

	Lime renders take salt spray and coastal storms well. It is also used in
the Mediterranean countries and stands up to direct sun and heat as well. I
think it would serve your needs well.

	J

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	can you use the natural paints and tinted renders on exterior walls? and if
so, how well will they hold up? assuming you have 2 to 3 foot overhangs and
3 foot stem walls to keep splashing rain off.  I haven't been able to find
anything to stand up to our crazy Texas storms.

	Dorothy

	-----Original Message-----
	From: owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]On Behalf
Of Dorothy Bothne
	Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:10 PM
	To: coblist at deatech.com
	Subject: RE: Cob: Paint on cob

	Natural paints and tinted renders tend to act more like stains allowing for
cob (or strawbale) to dry out properly. Modern latex and oil based paints
however act as sealants on the wall and can lead to ugly problems on cob
walls.

	I am assuming that this later paint is what was being referred to (since
that was the type being discussed when this thread started). I just didnt
want folks to be scared off of the natural coloring options available to
them for their structures.

	If however you were speaking on a more global anti-paint platform, please
explain. It would be the first I heard negative comments about the natural
paints.

	Joe

	-----Original Message-----
	From: owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]On Behalf
Of Yun Que
	Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:54 PM
	To: coblist at deatech.com
	Subject: Re: Cob: Paint on cob

	Cat here,  Yes on the no paint thing!  Natural wood, earth, stone holds a
quality that is easy on the eye and for those of us who do not enjoy
cleaning too often these materials patina great!!!!

	for the good of all C

	>From: Darel Henman

	>Reply-To: Darel Henman

	>To: Kim West

	>CC: Cob List

	>Subject: Re: Cob: Paint on cob

	>Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 14:10:28 +0900

	>

	>Kim,

	> don't put paint on cob. Too many people think a cob wall will

	>disintergrate at the first rain and this is untrue. I have seen hundred

	>year old daub buildings with NO lime plaster, just the rough daub still

	>in pretty good condition. It had a proper roof. It wasn't but could

	>be replastered with a clay straw plaster if wanted every so often. A

	>lime and sand or lime and fibre would probably help it last a bit

	>longer. A lime and clay soil with maybe some sand and soft fibre would

	>work as well. But the cute little daub building I saw was still

	>functional as it was a hundred years ago as a little shed. I've seen

	>houses about two hundred years old as well with just the daub/cob

	>finish. Cob once dried and cured is very strong.

	>

	> Of course, one must consider your area and the quality of your mix.

	>

	> Not related, but in general paint sucks. Leave things their natural

	>color. If you have a mental thing about painting everything, use a

	>natural oil or wax for wood.

	>

	>Darel

	>

	> > Kim West wrote:

	> >

	> > I read where someone here used latex paint on cob and it peeled off. I

	> > was wondering if anyone has used a store bought water based/flat

	> > paint, and if so, how did it do on the cob? Thanks.

	> >

	> > Kim

	>

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<P>can you use the natural paints and tinted renders on exterior walls? and if so, how well will they hold up? assuming you have 2 to 3 foot overhangs and 3 foot stem walls to keep splashing rain off.  I haven't been able to find anything to stand up to our crazy texas storms.
<P>Dorothy
<P> <B><I>Joe Skeesick <joe at skeesick.com></I></B> wrote:
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A lime
render (either tinted or natural white) is the perfect final render for the
outside of cob homes. It protects the homes here in England quite well. If you
need help finding resources for lime renders I can see what I can do. However,
most of the resources I know of are on this side of the pond right now. I’ll
have to find the resources over there soon enough (I’m building a cob home in
Oklahoma in a year and a half) but haven’t done so yet. <o:p></o:p>

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Lime
renders take salt spray and coastal storms well. It is also used in the Mediterranean
countries and stands up to direct sun and heat as well. I think it would serve
your needs well.<o:p></o:p>

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can you use the natural paints and tinted renders on exterior walls?
and if so, how well will they hold up? assuming you have 2 to 3 foot overhangs
and 3 foot stem walls to keep splashing rain off.  I haven't been able to
find anything to stand up to our crazy Texas storms. <o:p></o:p>

<p><font size=3 color=red face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:red'>Dorothy</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-coblist at deatech.com
[mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Dorothy Bothne<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 06, 2003
6:10 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> coblist at deatech.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Cob: Paint on cob</span></font></p>

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Natural
paints and tinted renders tend to act more like stains allowing for cob (or
strawbale) to dry out properly. Modern latex and oil based paints however act
as sealants on the wall and can lead to ugly problems on cob walls. <o:p></o:p>

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I
am assuming that this later paint is what was being referred to (since that was
the type being discussed when this thread started). I just didnt want folks to
be scared off of the natural coloring options available to them for their
structures. <o:p></o:p>

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If
however you were speaking on a more global anti-paint platform, please
explain. It would be the first I heard negative comments about the natural
paints.<o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-coblist at deatech.com
[mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Yun Que<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 06, 2003
3:54 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> coblist at deatech.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Cob: Paint on cob</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Cat here,  Yes on the no paint
thing!  Natural wood, earth, stone holds a quality that is easy on the eye
and for those of us who do not enjoy cleaning too often these materials patina
great!!!!</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><em><i><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>for
the good of all </span></font></i></em><font color=black><span
style='color:black'>C</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>From: Darel Henman <HENMAN at IT.TO-BE.CO.JP></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>To: Kim West <KWEST at ARKANSAS.NET></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>Subject: Re: Cob: Paint on cob </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 14:10:28 +0900 </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>Kim, </span></font><font color=black><span
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> don't put paint on cob. Too many
people think a cob wall will <o:p></o:p>

>disintergrate at the first rain and
this is untrue. I have seen hundred <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>year old daub buildings with NO lime
plaster, just the rough daub still </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

>in pretty good condition. It had a
proper roof. It wasn't but could <o:p></o:p>

>be replastered with a clay straw
plaster if wanted every so often. A <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>lime and sand or lime and fibre would
probably help it last a bit </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

>longer. A lime and clay soil with
maybe some sand and soft fibre would <o:p></o:p>

>work as well. But the cute little daub
building I saw was still <o:p></o:p>

>functional as it was a hundred years
ago as a little shed. I've seen <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>houses about two hundred years old as
well with just the daub/cob </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

>finish. Cob once dried and cured is
very strong. <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

> Of course, one must consider your
area and the quality of your mix. <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

> Not related, but in general paint
sucks. Leave things their natural <o:p></o:p>

>color. If you have a mental thing
about painting everything, use a <o:p></o:p>

>natural oil or wax for wood. <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>>Darel </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> > Kim West wrote: </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> > </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

> > I read where someone here used
latex paint on cob and it peeled off. I <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> > was wondering if anyone has used
a store bought water based/flat </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

> > paint, and if so, how did it do
on the cob? Thanks. <o:p></o:p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> > </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> > Kim </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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